developing around him. He had this concentric pull, 
if you like of—the really interesting, novel, 
breakthrough ideas were generating in other 
words a coterie of people who were very excited by 
what he was doing. And I just happened to be there 
at the right time to be one of those people. I 
wasn’t a person who hung in on the general 
activity of eulogizing the man as his fame became 
more extended.

I moved away, I went to the States. I lived there for 
about ten years, but I kept this very strong but 
very network-like relationship going with him. So we 
had one of the first disincarnate relations that one